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Touche !
But this is only a proof that Leif has an eye for the finer details.
Salute !I took these words straight from the cover of ‘FGTH – Welcome To The Pleasuredome’.
I know from the heart of an audio engineer (and his technical background knowledge) this chaining must be inferior.
Please don’t waste your time, don’t try my chain !Imagine a world without dogmas.
It’s the same thing like the people at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org know for sure,
that they even never try anything like Breakaway.
In their eyes (sorry Leif – their ears) any kind of processing is devil’s handiwork.
They think day and night about lossless audio and making jokes about people
using MP3 at 128 kbps.
They do not realize that a lossless representation of a crappy (original) WAV
is still crappy.Don’t trust me or any other expert on the internet or anywhere else.
The Wallstreet was (and still is) full of experts.Trust your own ears and eyes ! 😉
@ All
If you are tired of waiting for Leif’s batch processing feature, you can try my alternative Winamp DSP chain (for audiophile computer expert freaks only), see here:
viewtopic.php?p=2917#p2917@ Shamousi
If you are really looking for a high quality normalization only (without bad side effects and without extra enhancement), you should try Compressor & Wider 1.5 (dsp_compwide.dll ) a free Winamp plugin by Martin Pesch the author of mp3DirectCut
http://mpesch3.de1.cc/
http://mpesch3.de1.cc/misc.htmlIt comes with a few presets.
But these presets are not good (in my ears).
But you can create your own presets.Here are 3 very good presets:
Dynamic:
Stereo separation 0 (normal)
Input HP cutoff off
Max amp 2.3 x
Amp raise 5130 ms
Amp reduce 0.4 ms
Threshold offMedium (Loud):
Stereo separation 0 (normal)
Input HP cutoff off
Max amp 3.0 x
Amp raise 1111 ms
Amp reduce 0.4 ms
Threshold offVery Loud:
Stereo separation 0 (normal)
Input HP cutoff off
Max amp 8.0 x
Amp raise 301 ms
Amp reduce 0.4 ms
Threshold offIf you want more (extra enhancement) there are ways of chaining multiple DSPs, but it is a little bit complicated, because of compatibility problems of the multiple DSP stacker plugins.
It is necessary to combine them to make every (known) DSP work.
And it only works with Winamp (not with foobar2000 or ffdshow DSP adapters) !The (free) DSP Plugins you need:
1. DSP Stacker 1.6 by Spacial Audio Solutions
2. Multiple DSP Plugin (aka Stacker) 1.01
(you need both)MuchFX does not work for this, but it is necessary if you want to use
DX-Plugins with the free VB:FX-4 DX Manager Plugin – so these two are only additional options but not needed for the standard chain.3. YouWaShock
4. StereoTool 3.55 (the free unregistered version is ok)
5. Compressor & Wider 1.5How To:
1. choose DSP Stacker 1.6 as DSP in Winamp preferences
2. load Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 with DSP Stacker 1.6
3. press configure Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 inside DSP Stacker 1.6
4. load YouWaShock with Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01
5. set YouWaShock to 45 minutes (12 light segments on, default mode A)
this is a good starting point for your own tweakings
(it defines the grade of spectral enhancement)6. load StereoTool 3.55 with DSP Stacker 1.6
7. inside StereoTool select the preset
"VOLUME COMPRESSION – Normal Compression" !!!8. two small changes to this preset:
Pre Amp 1.0 (instead of 3.00)
enable Noise Gate (On) with 2.90 %9. load Compressor & Wider 1.5 with DSP Stacker 1.6 and use my presets:
"Dynamic" (I prefer this)
"Medium"
or "Very Loud"extra info:
YouWaShock is incompatible with DSP Stacker 1.6 (you can load it, but it will be permanently bypassed), that’s why you have to use Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01.
VB:FX-4 DX Manager Plugin is incompatible with DSP Stacker 1.6, too.
If you want to use it, you have to use MuchFX as an extra adapter inside DSP Stacker 1.6.
Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 is incompatible with StereoTool, that’s why you have to use DSP Stacker 1.6.If you (Windows users) want to compare this DSP chain with Breakaway, don’t forget to bypass Breakaway !
And of course enable "Play unmodified sound" in DSP Stacker 1.6
when you turn Breakaway enhancement on !My DSP chain has the disadvantage that it only works with Winamp and not like Breakaway as a system wide processing.
On the other hand you can use the DSP chain with any Winamp (output) writer plugin !
StereoTool 3.55 eats a lot of CPU (too much, maybe a broken multi core usage).
So if you want to use a writer output plugin (have an old computer anyway) consider to use version 3.40 which is much more CPU friendly (much faster on my Athlon 6000+ Dual Core system).
I use Breakaway (bypassed) and its oscilloscope for visual monitoring.
Though bypassed, there still seems to be the limiter active inside Breakaway.
So I have checked my processed files (disk writer output saved as WAV) with Adobe Audition 1.5.
There is no clipping with files processed by my DSP chain (even with my Comp & Wider preset "Very Loud") !What is better (audio quality enhancement) ?
Well, it doesn’t matter what I tell you here, if you don’t try my DSP chain with your own ears.My personal ranking:
DFX = crap
YouWaShock = nice, but you have to tune it up and down for different music
StereoTool = good
Breakaway = very good
YouWaShock-StereoTool-Comp & Wider DSP chain = for those with an eye for the finer detailsI don’t believe that many Windows users will (be able to) try my chain, so I think Leif has not a problem with this subversive post.
But to all you Linux freaks out there:
It (the chain) is very easy to build.I guess presets would be another cup of coffee (another price for Breakaway too).
[quote author=”Leif”]
Unfortunately, the feature you’re asking for — a bypass which keeps the level constant — is conceptually impossible.[/quote]I think this is a misunderstanding.
The answer is correct.
A bypass which keeps the level (for different input sources with different volumes !)
constant — is conceptually impossible.But, I think molsk wants a subjective (not technical) equal volume level when he compares a single track enhanced with Breakaway and the untouched (bypassed) version.
This is a well-known wish of many people (not only Breakaway users).
Leif – maybe you know – it was not long time ago when Steinberg`s Wavelab 6 introduced it "SmartBypass system" (with automatic loudness compensation):
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/au … elab6.htmlI worked with Wavelab 5 (without this SmartBypass system) and had to add a temporary "tools one" instance to the FX chain and adjust the volume manually, when I compared the untouched (bypassed) version with my FX remastering chain.
@ Leif
A simple solution for Breakaway:
The "Volume db" slider works (conceptually) post the processing.
Right ?
Let the "Volume db" slider be a part of the bypass system !
Why not ?
This way you could adjust the loudness differences with this slider to have a subjective (not technical) equal volume level for the listeners (with semi-professional remastering ambitions)
when they want to do a fast A-B comparison for a single track by pressing the bypass button.Or is there any severe technical, conceptual reason against the integration of the "Volume db" slider to the bypass process ? 🙄 ❓
Until now you have to adjust your Hi-Fi receiver, your PC speakers or this "Volume db" slider every time, when you hit Breakaway`s bypass button, if you want a subjective equal level for the untouched and the processed version of a special track.
