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May 12, 2021 at 3:47 pm in reply to: Can’t install BAE v1.42.00 because v1.40.03 won’t uninstall? #16501
Milky
KeymasterI am not aware of any problems with Windows 8.1. It has been around long enough for these problems to have come to light and be fixed long ago. There was an issue with the latest version not playing happily with one update of Windows 10, particularly the Virtual Audio Cables (“pipeline”) bundled with it.
This has now been fixed, but the actual version still up on their website does not yet include the fix. I have no control over the website, but I have brought it to their notice. I repeat, the issue was only with one Windows 10 update (20H2).
If possible, uninstall both BAE and VAC through control Panel add/remove programs, and then install.
Milky
KeymasterEvery listening area comes with its own challenges. Rooms actually resonate anyway, although usually at rates way below our hearing capabilities. They are called “standing waves”.
Sound is produced as waves, and the lower the frequency, the more widely spaced the waves are. It stands to reason that, if you sit in certain places in the room, you will experience the top of the wave, and in others, you will feel the bottom. Furthermore, these waves bounce off surfaces and return out of phase to cancel some of the energy from the original sound. This leads to bright spots, where the reflected sound augments the original, and dull spots where the reflection cancels some of the energy. Bottom line, every room has a sweet spot, not necessarily in the centre. This sweet spot is modified by the shape of the room, the building materials, the frequencies being generated – even your own body will absorb some frequencies and bounce others.
You have many options. Moving yourself around, moving the speakers around, varying the levels of the various drivers, using mobile baffles to reflect the sound to your listening area and cancelling reflected sounds etc, etc.
Provided you can do all of this without having to appease a significant other, you should arrive at a pleasing place to enjoy your music. I can’t offer any advice for appeasing partners.
I’m interested in your comment about using compression to adjust the bass. This is not what compression does. It “squishes” the dynamic range of the music so that quiet and loud passages meet in the middle. Typically, it is used in FM broadcasts so that all the music (and voice) comes out of your speakers at about the same level, so you are not diving for the volume control in quiet passages, and then turning it down again in louder passages.
Milky
Keymaster@pickyaudioguy Welcome to the forum and thank you for your comments.
Turntables are particularly susceptible to vibrations. If you are using a moving magnet cartridge, it only generates something like 2 to 5 millivolts of signal which must be “pre-amplified” before passing it on to the main amp. Of course, some of that signal will be not of the record surface, but from vibrations picked up from the room and playback equipment. By the time it has gone back through the pre-amp, it is now out of phase with the original sound, and this will result in either frequency doubling, where certain frequencies will be heard louder than the original recording, or frequency cancellation, where the opposite occurs.
Furthermore, if the preamp is designed for vinyl, it has an inbuilt “RIAA curve” to alter the frequency bands. This was introduced back in the day to adjust the signal to match the original recording equipment characteristics. It is not necessary nowadays, and a lot of modern records have dropped the process, so you may have a mixture of RIAA and non-RIAA records to contend with.
I have a Technics SL1210 turntable, which comes with a very heavy marble plinth and stands on “shock absorber” legs. However, I also have it on a concrete paving slab, which is hinged and chained to a brick wall. This minimises the contact area, so the transfer of vibrations is very, very small.
Fortunately, I don’t have a wife to explain the intricacies of sound management to, so I can go crazy with rubber pads and never have to make excuses.
Milky
KeymasterSound is transmitted as vibrations. That is how we hear – the speakers vibrate, and our eardrums vibrate in sympathy with the speaker cones. Unfortunately, anything, particularly smooth, hard surfaces either reflect or also vibrate with the same stimulus. Sometimes, these vibrations enhance the original sound, and it gives a more “live” feel, but, in other cases, the vibrations occur out of phase with the original source, and this causes cancellation of some frequencies and “colouration” of others, depending on the natural resonant frequencies of the reflecting materials.
If you moved all that equipment into an anechoic room, lined with foam to prevent secondary vibration, it would lose all of the colouration cause by secondary vibrations, but it would also probably sound “dead”. The trick is to design a listening environment which does not produce significant secondary reflections of the original sound, but without completely suppressing the “pleasant” sounds we like to hear. This is not easy, and there are companies who make a lot of money to design radio studios and auditoria which only let the real music through. They use specially placed microphones to listen for secondary vibrations, and then design baffles to break them up.
Obviously, avoid hard, reflective surfaces, particularly made of plasterboard, as that will literally shake itself loose over time. We all have walls, but they can be broken up with acoustic tiles, adjustable drapes, even random timber lengths to reinforce and reflect the sounds. Bricks are better as a building material, because they don’t resonate as easily. However, they are hard and reflective, so need drapes or random surfaces to scatter the vibrations.
The playback equipment also needs to fit comfortably to the room size. Your room is 2,000 cubic feet in volume, yet your picture shows drivers more suited to a very large auditorium, or even an outdoor concert area. Size isn’t everything, particularly in a badly reflective room. An 18 inch woofer can move a massive amount of air, and all that air has to go somewhere.
I have a purpose-built music room, and that has some serious music equipment in it, but I also have a “normal sized” family room, where we watch movies on a widescreen TV. It only has a 100w 5.1 amp driving a set of Jamo speakers which are smaller than those in my car doors. The sub is the size of a beer carton, yet it delivers excellent sound up to the levels that the room (and our ears) can tolerate. Timber strips glued to the flat wall surfaces, as well as drapes over the windows absorb or scatter unwanted reflections.
As you have discovered, equipment placement can make a huge difference. Slightly wider apart, slightly closer, sub at the front or back, maybe right in the centre of the listening area. Try lifting the speakers off the floor, so that the drivers are at or above ear level when in your favourite listening position. All these things need to be experimented with, noting the changes with each configuration until you get the right sound.
I remember that your original query about BAE was because you like everything to be heavily compressed. Personally, I couldn’t think of anything worse. I like the “light and dark” of the different instruments and the way they blend together, but, to each their own. Suffice to say that compression increases the liability of hard surfaces reflecting.
Milky
KeymasterObviously, if everything in your house is vibrating with the bass, it’s probably too loud. LF sound (bass) moves a lot of cubic feet of air, so many things will try to resonate along with the speaker.
You have two controls over the bass. The “Bass” slider is essentially flat at 50, is boosted from 50 upwards and reduced from 50 downwards. Some presets will already include some boost or cut, so you may need to adjust again if you change presets.
The “Bass Shape” adjusts the frequency range of the bass. In this case, zero is the midpoint, but you can increase the very low frequencies by moving towards -50, or the higher frequencies by moving towards +50. As the tool tip says, if you have small speakers, make this a higher value, as the physical driver simply can’t reproduce the frequencies if you go lower.
Unless you have the perfect listening environment, there is always a bit of a compromise between what you would like to hear, and what you have to settle for because of the acoustics of the room, the position of the sub-woofer and where you sit in that environment.
You also have to make allowances for your own hearing ability. I have walked into rooms that were booming, but the owner of the room simply couldn’t hear the very low frequencies and so kept cranking up the levels to compensate. The furniture was more sympathetic than his ears, unfortunately.
May 4, 2021 at 2:05 am in reply to: Can’t install Breakaway Pipeline 4.31/BAE 1.42 on Win10 32 bits #16476Milky
KeymasterThanks for the update, Mwyann.
I’ve passed your comments on to Leif and asked that he can make the fix to the production version and get it up on the website as soon as possible.May 3, 2021 at 2:41 pm in reply to: Can’t install Breakaway Pipeline 4.31/BAE 1.42 on Win10 32 bits #16473Milky
KeymasterThis issue has been looked at, and Leif has assured me that it has now been tested in a 32 bit environment. This is NOT available yet from the Claesson Edwards website, until we have received feedback from our beta testers.
Any of you who have experienced problems with Windows 10 32 bit is encouraged to download and install this new intaller, and to pass you comments back to me via this forum.
- https://www.dropbox.com/s/osdnjb8jpmlw74e/BreakawayPipeline_installer_4.64.exe?dl=0
Milky
KeymasterI know that Leif is working on some changes, but he is also working on other projects, so there is no guarantee that a new version will drop in the near future. But, it WILL happen.
Milky
KeymasterI’m sorry, there is not a support network like that available. If you post your exact problems as a new subject in the appropriate section of the forum, some of our members should be able to chime in with suggestions.
Milky
KeymasterIf you keep your emails, it should be in there. If not, write to support@claessonedwards.com and provide details.
Milky
KeymasterThere’s a known problem with 32 bit environments. Is your VM 32 bit? If not, it may be a related issue. Can you install in a 64 Windows environment, just to prove there is no other problem?
Milky
KeymasterThank you for understanding. As it turns out, I did get an email from Leif today, where several matters were resolved or escalated. More soon (I hope).
Milky
KeymasterLet me make my position very clear.
I have an agreement with Leif’s company (Claesson Edwards) to assist on and administer this forum, were I can. However, I have absolutely NO control over what Leif does and when he does it.I report all relevant posts, queries and bugs through an agreed communication protocol, and, on some occasions, I receive feedback which I pass back to the forum, but, I reiterate, I have no control over the development schedule for the product.
Milky
KeymasterNo, nothing to report.
Milky
KeymasterWhy not just pull out one of the inputs (or slide balance control hard R or L) and see if the signal follows the input. If that works, the problem is in the playout software or streaming process.
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